RE: My Background and Vision for Steem

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justinw 6 years ago

Because Steem (the blockchain) is bigger than just Steemit (the reddit-like first dApp on Steem). I could see Steem powering the next Instagram or the next Twitter in the future - and 7 billion people do need a modern decentralized social media that is ready to onboard the masses, even if they don’t know it quite yet.

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oldtimer 6 years ago

I have no clue about technicalities but I read an essay on the trending page today of @heimindanger today who claims that no blockchain is capable of such of scaling.
Your thoughts?

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lauch3d 6 years ago

no decentralized blockchain can scale without tradeoffs.
A honest blockchain-performance video, without any promotion, would be great. Vitalik is also very fakt-based, when it comes to scaling this is what attracts people.

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alexs1320 6 years ago

Also... If you are a big company, and your reputation could be ruined if something goes wrong (remember HF20?), would you rely on something that is decentralized? On something that can be changed by some people who are not under their control?

I mean... 100 witnesses x 50$/month worth servers = let's be generous, 10.000 $/month. 10.000 $/month is a peanut for even a decent company, not giants.

What do you think, if Instagram needs a coin, would they build their own coin, make HF overthrown impossible and keep all the servers under their control, or they will just believe that people are good creatures and that they would never, ever do something evil against them?

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lauch3d 6 years ago (edited)

This is the current paradigm and it works. Your right, centralization is highly efficient because it brings control and ideally, experts can make better decisions... but there is a third way:

Using the big data of the users as democratic input. Not asking what they want like in our democracies, but looking for what they do. This is what Facebook is doing, but with a real DAO you dont need a Zuckerberg anymore.

When you see some concentration of voting circles and strong self-votes and you can correlate this with loss of users, THEN THIS IS already a DEMOCRATIC DECISION. You only need to translate it into action.

But I fully agree, most witnesses are the same amateurs as we users are. Them having a big stake is no argument, its a fallacy/a bias and as we see in Steem it leads to HFs which are maybe not the best decision. Is a witness an expert in social media marketing? Are the people who have penetrated..uhmm I mean voted the witness have any expertise? No! But Facebook is an expert just by selection.

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alexs1320 6 years ago

But I fully agree, most witnesses are the same amateurs as we users are. Them having a big stake is no argument, its a fallacy/a bias and as we see in Steem it leads to HFs which are maybe not the best decision.

There are many things that should/ could be modified.
However, there are fundamentals that should not be even touched.
Cars must have 4 wheels, not 5, not 11. Four wheels.
And if you want to hire someone to be on a well paid position - you shoul make an open call, make some selection and chose those who fulfill the criteria.
Simple as that

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mexbit 6 years ago

In the real world people still do not get the idea of what cryptocurrency is and how it changes the world. Even if Facebook in the end does it, it does not mean that ANY other social media sites gets it.

I have personal experience with these things... 1 in 50000 people gets it after years and years...

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justinw 6 years ago

This is dPos. Those witnesses would also need to be voted in with massive amounts of stake in order to 'take control'. Simply running a large number of witness nodes would not achieve that effect.

Why build your own chain when you can get one that is already established, comes with an existing large community and support, desired social features, and your own token with which you can still perform an ICO if you wish (SMTs)?

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alexs1320 6 years ago

Why wouldn't I? (I, like a strong website)

I could make my own rules, my own settings. Code is already open-source, thus I know how to do it. That coin would serve as an extension of my brand. And that coin would not have the past that is maybe negative.

In other words, very small infrastructure could de novo mine Steem-like token with some upgrades, and the whole mess with fake whales, bid bots, blah, blah, would be avoided. The graph on coinmarketcap would be pointing upwards, not towards zero.

They are not going to invest in this coin, it would be a business suicide.

The only way to maybe bring some strong player would be to bribe them with a massive amount of coin. Coin with low value. Coin that you (Inc.) had, and now you have much less.

Again, crown example, @rt-international came - what have you done to get their public support and to get some exposure in media?

Or, even better question. How many websites are using Steem (that stuff, much larger than Steemit) and what is the total traffic they have? After 3 years. Which of those websites, platforms is the most well known?

Also, who is the most popular Instagram star who joined Steem(it)?
And who is the most popular Youtuber?
Any celebrities?

There are only three options:

echo chamber bubble, everything is fine 24/7 mantra, and you think everything is perfect
7 billion people are idiots
you don't have nearly finalized product

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coininstant 6 years ago

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justinw 6 years ago (edited)

Sure @oldtimer, just some quick napkin math based on some stats that were in his post:

Back in 2015, it was stated that graphene-based blockchains (this was referring to Bitshares specifically which Steem was originally based on) was able to handle up to 18,000 transactions per second on a distributed network.

That's roughly 1.5 billion transactions per day. Twitter currently handles about 500 million tweets per day according to their statistics page.

These were stats from 2015, it is now 2019 and Steem has continued to evolve. Along with many other scaling challenges out of the way (such as MIRA to solve the ever-increasing RAM hardware issue that still plagues other graphene chains), I think we are very well positioned to bring in a mass amount of activity.

Further, Steem is an ongoing and very much alive project. As new challenges arise, those problems too will be tackled.

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oldtimer 6 years ago

Thanks for your time. I'm really glad to hear this from the top dog.

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alexs1320 6 years ago

Ok, great, it's nice, big, great...

Now... Instagram knows how to make money. FB knows how to make money. Twitter knows.
They also know how to get users' attention.
They know how to build addictive products.

Those are facts. They know how to do it.

Now... Why would they addoprt third-party's coin?
If they need a coin, they are going to make their own coin.

Let's imagine, Instagram takes Steem, I don't know why, but they do.
What is their benefit to do it?
Maybe, only maybe, their user count would rise a bit.
On the other side, very bad content will be upvoted, selfvoting, bidbots...
They would ruin the principle 1 man 1 like
And users would become frustrated and discouraged. So they will actually lose a lot of users.

Decentralized... Nobody cares. People only care if the final product is good or not. What is behind the courtain, people don't care.
Don't trust me, take a paper and pencil, hit the streets and ask 1000 people

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br0 6 years ago

They have 10 years of tech and marketing experience and no morality.

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alexs1320 6 years ago

You can check the first part of your sentence via LinkedIn

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alexs1320 6 years ago

7 billion people do need a modern decentralized social media that is ready to onboard the masses, even if they don’t know it quite yet.

Why current socieal media platforms are not modern? What makes them obsolete?

Why that social network needs to be decentralized? What are pros and cons? We can clearly see that centralized networks work, for more than a decade and those are giving us comepletely new way of interacting.

Ready to onboard on masses. Ok, if it's ready, why it has 1 million users and not 1 billion users, like forementioned? It's 0.1%?
What? There are 10.000 active users? Not 1 million.
Ok, 1.000.000.000 / 10.000 = 100.000 times less.
So, Steem(it) was able to get onboard 1% of 1% of FB users, after 3 years.
Pardon, 1/10 of that number, I've lost a zero.

So, you have something great, that people still don't know they need it.
They will come in masses, although 1/10 of 1% of 1% of people came to this platform in 3 years. And it must be decentralized because, reasons.

I'm not malevalent. I'm not an expert. My questions are simple.
And if you are not able to provide the answeres, than that is the answer how this platform drifted from 1.000 Million $ marketcap to 70 millions, in 500 days.

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mexbit 6 years ago

people still are using bank accounts... i thought they would all be closed and obsolete years ago... crypto still is a niche for some enthusiasts... Adoption might take another 10-20 years...

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coininstant 6 years ago

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