RE: Does the Battle of the Sexes Begin in the Womb?

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RE: Does the Battle of the Sexes Begin in the Womb?

alexander.alexis in #steemstem • 7 years ago

In Freud's defense, it does seem like a universal truth that people want more. When our neighbor has more stuff, we envy him. We hoard stuff, even when we don't use them.

A second apparently universal principle is that humans are very visual creatures. It's probably our most important sense, both subjectively and perhaps objectively.

Putting these two together, the idea of penis envy becomes 'intuitively appealing', because visually we can't see what's inside, the dangling thing is more attention-grabbing, and people just tend to want more of everything.

Perhaps, also, if girls notice a difference in treatment from that age, favoring boys, and the only difference they can observe visually at that prepubescent age is the penis, then they might attribute said differential treatment to the penis, and therefore begin to envy it. 🤷‍♂️

7 years ago in #steemstem by alexander.alexis

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erh.germany 7 years ago (edited)

Hmm.. doesn't convince me. Even if you would have rock solid empirical evidence, women still would not admit that they envy penises. Why should they, after all? There is nothing to gain from. Nothing which is inspirational or bringing anyone forward in his maturation or having the feeling of accomplishing an important thing.

The fact that you drag around such envy from childhood all your life without knowing about it and then justify the adult negative reactions of women towards men with such a penis envy leads to completely fruitless, hostile, emotionally charged debates, where in the end you have learned nothing really interesting. It's just the wrong focus if you ask me. After all, the associations women do have on the word "Penis" as adults is really something you should take into account (to accept penis envy and then let it into me during sexual intercourse seems somewhat crooked).

And you're talking to the wrong person about envy. I am so not jealous at all of the "more" of the others. On the contrary, I think that so many material things are quite a burden. I want to free myself from them and live as easily as someone who just ties up his sack and sets off on the journey with it. ... It will take a while until then, but maybe one day I will make it ;-)

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agmoore 7 years ago

The fact that you drag around such envy from childhood all your life without knowing about it and then justify the adult negative reactions of women towards men with such a penis envy leads to completely fruitless, hostile, emotionally charged debates, where in the end you have learned nothing really interesting

Freud has been so discredited. What saddens me is all the women who were "treated" over the years by psychologists who believed this envy was the root of their anxiety.

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erh.germany 7 years ago

I want to give credit to him for his "finding" of the subconscious - THIS is actually the more interesting thing. Which of course, was long found by others but he deserves the credit for the Western modern world.

Yes, many atrocities were done on people in the name of whatever was the state of the arts. I remember this poor Kennedy daughter which had to endure the brain seizure and was afterwards crippled. Was not because of hysteria but ...you know, in the end those cases bare many similarities.

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agmoore 7 years ago

Of course he changed the way we look at ourselves, and that was revolutionary. But revisions were definitely in order :)

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agmoore 7 years ago (edited)

@alexander.alexis: Sorry---but girls are more likely to be concerned about the fragility of the external, conspicuously vulnerable appendage, if they notice it at all.
I do remember as a child that I resented my Sicilian mother's insistence that my brother take precedence over me in some circumstances. He was three years older so certain privileges were attached to age. But others, clearly described, were not. These seemed so unreasonable to me (you can see the personality forming) that I would just remove myself from the situation. (ex: your brother sits at the head of the table). My father was absent so my brother became "the man of the house". Oh, did that gall me. It may be why I give you so much trouble here :))

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alexander.alexis 7 years ago

😃

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